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Post by Lolly Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:31 pm

Pemberton, 1212.

Pemberton is cut off from Wigan on the north-east by the River Douglas, and from Ince on the east by another brook running into that stream. Through the township runs eastward the brook dividing Orrell from Winstanley. Going north from this brook on the eastern side are found Hindley Hall, Worsley Hall, Newtown, Laithwaite House, Marsh Green, Walthew House, and Markland (fn. 1) ; and on the western side Tunstead, and Lamberhead Green, Norley, Kit Green, and Orrell City. To the south, on the eastern side lie Smithy Brook, Worsley Mesnes, Goose Green, Hawkley, (fn. 2) and Wheatlees. The lowest ground is that in the Douglas valley; the surface rises to the south-west, where a height of 245 ft. is attained. The area is 2,894 acres. (fn. 3) The population in 1901 was 21,664, including Goose Green, Highfield, Little Lane, and other hamlets. The whole district is unpicturesque, bare and open, occupied for the most part by collieries, mine shafts, and pit banks. There are, however, fields where some crops are raised, potatoes and oats surviving the smoke of the environs. Pastures are scattered about also. The soil is clay and loam, over Coal Measures and stone.

There are several important roads. That from Ormskirk to Wigan enters the township at Lamberhead Green and passes through Newtown, where it is joined by the road from St. Helens through Billinge, and by that from Warrington to Wigan, through Goose Green. This last road has a branch to Wigan through Worsley Mesnes. The principal railway is the Lancashire and Yorkshire Company's line from Liverpool to Wigan, which has a station called Pemberton; a loop line, avoiding Wigan, goes east to join the Wigan and Bolton line. The same company's Wigan and Southport railway crosses the northern corner of the township. There are minor lines for the service of the collieries.

The Local Government Act of 1858 was adopted by the township in 1872. (fn. 4) The board was changed to an urban district council of fifteen members by the Act of 1894. It has now been dissolved and the township added to the borough of Wigan, with four wards each returning three councillors and having an alderman.

A hospital was erected in 1886 by the local board. A public park was given by Colonel B. H. Blundell in 1903; and a Carnegie library has been opened.

Coal-mining is the principal industry. There are stone quarries, boiler works, iron foundry, cotton mill, and brick-making. The soil is loam and clay, with subsoil of clay, stone, and coal; potatoes and oats are grown, and there is some pasturage.

The pedestal and portion of a cross exist at Goose Green. (fn. 5)

There was formerly a burning well at Hawkley. (fn. 6)

At Lamberhead Green in 1775 was born William Atherton, a Wesleyan divine, president of the Conference in 1846. He died in 1850. (fn. 7)

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Before the Conquest, as afterwards, PEMBERTON seems to have formed one of the berewicks or members of the manor of Newton. (fn. 8)It is so regarded in the inquisitions. (fn. 9)

During the 12th century it was held in thegnage by a certain Alan, (fn. 10) whose son Alan, settling at Windle, was known as Alan de Windle. At the Survey of 1212 the latter was holding Pemberton, assessed as two plough-lands, by the rent of 20s. and the service of finding a judge for the court of Newton. (fn. 11) Like other Windle properties this mesne lordship may have descended to the Burnhulls (fn. 12) and Gerards (fn. 13) ; no record of it occurs in their inquisitions, but Sir Thomas Gerard, who died in 1621, held certain lands in the township 'of the lords of Pemberton.' (fn. 14) It seems, however, to have been alienated to the Walton family, (fn. 15) and so to have descended with Northlegh or NORLEY to Legh of Lyme. (fn. 16)



Pemberton. Argent a cheveron between three buckets sable with hoops and handles or.

The first Alan de Pemberton had created a subordinate manor for a younger son, known as Adam de Pemberton. (fn. 17) He in 1212 was holding it of Alan de Windle, and had granted out a quarter of it to Henry son of Lawrence, who in turn had granted an oxgang, i.e. a quarter of his share, to Alan son of Aldith. (fn. 18) Adam de Pemberton made grants to the Hospitallers (fn. 19) and to Cockersand Abbey. (fn. 20) He was still living in 1246. (fn. 21) His descendant William died about 1292, (fn. 22) leaving a son Adam, (fn. 23) who in 1331 made a settlement of the manor, his son William, who had married Eleanor, being the heir. (fn. 24)

In or before 1362 William died, leaving Eleanor a widow, (fn. 25) with six children. Thurstan, the heir, was a minor, and his wardship was in 1367 claimed by Robert de Legh and William son of Robert de Radcliffe, in right of their wives. (fn. 26) Thurstan died soon afterwards and his five sisters were his heirs. One of these died young; the other four each had a share, and it is easy to trace the descent of two: that of Emma, who married Robert de Hindley of Aspull; (fn. 27) and of Katherine, who married Alexander de Worsley. (fn. 28) The family of Molyneux of Rainhill had Hawkley in Pemberton, and in 1578 acquired a fourth part of the manor. (fn. 29) As late as 1415, however, the lord of the manor was said to be Henry de Pemberton. (fn. 30)

But few particulars can be given of the descent of the various portions of the manor. HINDLEY HALL became the property of Meyrick Bankes of Winstanley, and is held by his trustees. (fn. 31) The Worsleys of WORSLEY MESNES (fn. 32) were succeeded by the Downes of Wardley, (fn. 33) and their estates are now held by the Earl of Ellesmere. (fn. 34) The Molyneuxes of HAWKLEY continued in possession until the death of Bryan William Molyneux in 1805. (fn. 35) By his will the Rev. William Hockenhull of Lymm in Cheshire succeeded, and assumed the surname of Molyneux. (fn. 36) Hawkley, however, was afterwards sold, and is now the property of the trustees of Meyrick Bankes. (fn. 37)

The estate called TUNSTEAD was in the possession of a branch of the Pembertons during the whole of the 15th century. (fn. 38) One of the daughters and coheirs of George Pemberton then carried it by mar riage to Robert Molyneux of Melling, (fn. 39) and it descended with the other lands of this family (fn. 40) until they were sold in the middle of the 18th century.

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MARKLAND was the property of the Hollands, (fn. 41) and in 1360 was granted to the Priory of Upholland. On the suppression it was acquired by John Holcroft. (fn. 42)

Alexander Worsley, Thomas and John Molyneux, Gilbert Scott, and Robert Higginson, contributed to a subsidy of Mary's reign as landowners. (fn. 43) The freeholders in 1600 (fn. 44) were: Ralph Worsley, — Downes, (fn. 45) Richard Molyneux of Hawkley, Robert Arrowsmith, Thomas Laithwaite, (fn. 46) Richard Pemberton, (fn. 47) Hugh Scott, (fn. 48) William Walthew, (fn. 49) Thomas Whalley, (fn. 50) Humphrey Winstanley, and John Worthington. The landowners who contributed to the subsidy of 1628 were Roger Downes, for Worsley's lands; Richard Molyneux, and the heirs of Richard Pemberton. (fn. 51) Several 'delinquents' compounded for their estates under the rule of the Commonwealth. (fn. 52) The following 'papists' registered estates here in 1717: Barbara and Margaret Green, George Unsworth, and William Winstanley. (fn. 53) The land tax returns of 1787 show the chief owners to have been the Duke of Bridgewater, the heirs of T. Barton, Mrs. Percival, W. B. Molyneux, and John Markland.

During the last century a number of places of worship have been erected in Pemberton. In connexion with the Established Church St. John's was consecrated in 1832 as a chapel of ease to the parish church; a burial ground was attached to it. The rector of Wigan is the patron. (fn. 54) The church of St. Matthew, Highfield, built in 1894, serves as a chapel of ease. St Mark's, Newtown, was built in 1891. The patronage is vested in trustees. There is a licensed chapel at Worsley Mesnes.

The Methodist denominations are well represented, the Wesleyan, Primitive, Independent, and United Free Methodists having places of worship. There are also Free Gospel and Congregational chapels.

The Roman Catholic church of St. Cuthbert dates from 1872; it was enlarged in 1887. (fn. 55)

A schoolhouse was built at Goose Green by Thomas Molyneux; but no endowment was provided. (fn. 56)





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Post by Naughty Mitten Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:38 pm

I nearly went through there once but I found a far more pleasant routs Razz
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Post by Lolly Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:01 pm

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Post by Admin Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:12 pm

That sounds like fascinating information, Lolly....

I am about to watch a good football match so will view it later...many thanks. Very Happy
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Post by Lolly Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:15 pm

Pemberton Athletics by any chance Very Happy
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Man City...of course....Don't let Ray know.... Razz Razz Razz Razz
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Post by Lolly Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:05 am

Pemberton 1905

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Post by nordic Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:43 am

Looking at the angle of the building in the top right hand corner of the photo' I would say that that photo' was taken from across the road from the police staion , looking up towards Orrell , Englands butchers would now be on the left .And was it the Black Bull that stood in the road , to the right Ormskirk Road , to the left toward White Street / Brook Lane and the big lamp , right intp White Street and the cross roads with Fleet Street . I can't remember any other building in Pemberton ( Lamberhead Green ) built with a angled front . PS The pub name may be wrong .
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Post by Lolly Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:23 am

Spot on nordic. a better view of the Black Bull and the Pack Horse on the right.Police station on the left,corner of Woodford Street

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Post by nordic Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:59 pm

I think the tram driver's name was Frank . Whistling Whistling Whistling
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Post by KPC Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:05 pm

Lolly wrote:Pemberton, 1212.

Pemberton is cut off from Wigan on the north-east by the River Douglas, and from Ince on the east by another brook running into that stream. Through the township runs eastward the brook dividing Orrell from Winstanley. Going north from this brook on the eastern side are found Hindley Hall, Worsley Hall, Newtown, Laithwaite House, Marsh Green, Walthew House, and Markland (fn. 1) ; and on the western side Tunstead, and Lamberhead Green, Norley, Kit Green, and Orrell City. To the south, on the eastern side lie Smithy Brook, Worsley Mesnes, Goose Green, Hawkley, (fn. 2) and Wheatlees. The lowest ground is that in the Douglas valley; the surface rises to the south-west, where a height of 245 ft. is attained. The area is 2,894 acres. (fn. 3) The population in 1901 was 21,664, including Goose Green, Highfield, Little Lane, and other hamlets. The whole district is unpicturesque, bare and open, occupied for the most part by collieries, mine shafts, and pit banks. There are, however, fields where some crops are raised, potatoes and oats surviving the smoke of the environs. Pastures are scattered about also. The soil is clay and loam, over Coal Measures and stone.

There are several important roads. That from Ormskirk to Wigan enters the township at Lamberhead Green and passes through Newtown, where it is joined by the road from St. Helens through Billinge, and by that from Warrington to Wigan, through Goose Green. This last road has a branch to Wigan through Worsley Mesnes. The principal railway is the Lancashire and Yorkshire Company's line from Liverpool to Wigan, which has a station called Pemberton; a loop line, avoiding Wigan, goes east to join the Wigan and Bolton line. The same company's Wigan and Southport railway crosses the northern corner of the township. There are minor lines for the service of the collieries.

The Local Government Act of 1858 was adopted by the township in 1872. (fn. 4) The board was changed to an urban district council of fifteen members by the Act of 1894. It has now been dissolved and the township added to the borough of Wigan, with four wards each returning three councillors and having an alderman.

A hospital was erected in 1886 by the local board. A public park was given by Colonel B. H. Blundell in 1903; and a Carnegie library has been opened.

Coal-mining is the principal industry. There are stone quarries, boiler works, iron foundry, cotton mill, and brick-making. The soil is loam and clay, with subsoil of clay, stone, and coal; potatoes and oats are grown, and there is some pasturage.

The pedestal and portion of a cross exist at Goose Green. (fn. 5)

There was formerly a burning well at Hawkley. (fn. 6)

At Lamberhead Green in 1775 was born William Atherton, a Wesleyan divine, president of the Conference in 1846. He died in 1850. (fn. 7)

MANOR

Before the Conquest, as afterwards, PEMBERTON seems to have formed one of the berewicks or members of the manor of Newton. (fn. 8)It is so regarded in the inquisitions. (fn. 9)

During the 12th century it was held in thegnage by a certain Alan, (fn. 10) whose son Alan, settling at Windle, was known as Alan de Windle. At the Survey of 1212 the latter was holding Pemberton, assessed as two plough-lands, by the rent of 20s. and the service of finding a judge for the court of Newton. (fn. 11) Like other Windle properties this mesne lordship may have descended to the Burnhulls (fn. 12) and Gerards (fn. 13) ; no record of it occurs in their inquisitions, but Sir Thomas Gerard, who died in 1621, held certain lands in the township 'of the lords of Pemberton.' (fn. 14) It seems, however, to have been alienated to the Walton family, (fn. 15) and so to have descended with Northlegh or NORLEY to Legh of Lyme. (fn. 16)



Pemberton. Argent a cheveron between three buckets sable with hoops and handles or.

The first Alan de Pemberton had created a subordinate manor for a younger son, known as Adam de Pemberton. (fn. 17) He in 1212 was holding it of Alan de Windle, and had granted out a quarter of it to Henry son of Lawrence, who in turn had granted an oxgang, i.e. a quarter of his share, to Alan son of Aldith. (fn. 18) Adam de Pemberton made grants to the Hospitallers (fn. 19) and to Cockersand Abbey. (fn. 20) He was still living in 1246. (fn. 21) His descendant William died about 1292, (fn. 22) leaving a son Adam, (fn. 23) who in 1331 made a settlement of the manor, his son William, who had married Eleanor, being the heir. (fn. 24)

In or before 1362 William died, leaving Eleanor a widow, (fn. 25) with six children. Thurstan, the heir, was a minor, and his wardship was in 1367 claimed by Robert de Legh and William son of Robert de Radcliffe, in right of their wives. (fn. 26) Thurstan died soon afterwards and his five sisters were his heirs. One of these died young; the other four each had a share, and it is easy to trace the descent of two: that of Emma, who married Robert de Hindley of Aspull; (fn. 27) and of Katherine, who married Alexander de Worsley. (fn. 28) The family of Molyneux of Rainhill had Hawkley in Pemberton, and in 1578 acquired a fourth part of the manor. (fn. 29) As late as 1415, however, the lord of the manor was said to be Henry de Pemberton. (fn. 30)

But few particulars can be given of the descent of the various portions of the manor. HINDLEY HALL became the property of Meyrick Bankes of Winstanley, and is held by his trustees. (fn. 31) The Worsleys of WORSLEY MESNES (fn. 32) were succeeded by the Downes of Wardley, (fn. 33) and their estates are now held by the Earl of Ellesmere. (fn. 34) The Molyneuxes of HAWKLEY continued in possession until the death of Bryan William Molyneux in 1805. (fn. 35) By his will the Rev. William Hockenhull of Lymm in Cheshire succeeded, and assumed the surname of Molyneux. (fn. 36) Hawkley, however, was afterwards sold, and is now the property of the trustees of Meyrick Bankes. (fn. 37)

The estate called TUNSTEAD was in the possession of a branch of the Pembertons during the whole of the 15th century. (fn. 38) One of the daughters and coheirs of George Pemberton then carried it by mar riage to Robert Molyneux of Melling, (fn. 39) and it descended with the other lands of this family (fn. 40) until they were sold in the middle of the 18th century.

MARKLAND

MARKLAND was the property of the Hollands, (fn. 41) and in 1360 was granted to the Priory of Upholland. On the suppression it was acquired by John Holcroft. (fn. 42)

Alexander Worsley, Thomas and John Molyneux, Gilbert Scott, and Robert Higginson, contributed to a subsidy of Mary's reign as landowners. (fn. 43) The freeholders in 1600 (fn. 44) were: Ralph Worsley, — Downes, (fn. 45) Richard Molyneux of Hawkley, Robert Arrowsmith, Thomas Laithwaite, (fn. 46) Richard Pemberton, (fn. 47) Hugh Scott, (fn. 48) William Walthew, (fn. 49) Thomas Whalley, (fn. 50) Humphrey Winstanley, and John Worthington. The landowners who contributed to the subsidy of 1628 were Roger Downes, for Worsley's lands; Richard Molyneux, and the heirs of Richard Pemberton. (fn. 51) Several 'delinquents' compounded for their estates under the rule of the Commonwealth. (fn. 52) The following 'papists' registered estates here in 1717: Barbara and Margaret Green, George Unsworth, and William Winstanley. (fn. 53) The land tax returns of 1787 show the chief owners to have been the Duke of Bridgewater, the heirs of T. Barton, Mrs. Percival, W. B. Molyneux, and John Markland.

During the last century a number of places of worship have been erected in Pemberton. In connexion with the Established Church St. John's was consecrated in 1832 as a chapel of ease to the parish church; a burial ground was attached to it. The rector of Wigan is the patron. (fn. 54) The church of St. Matthew, Highfield, built in 1894, serves as a chapel of ease. St Mark's, Newtown, was built in 1891. The patronage is vested in trustees. There is a licensed chapel at Worsley Mesnes.

The Methodist denominations are well represented, the Wesleyan, Primitive, Independent, and United Free Methodists having places of worship. There are also Free Gospel and Congregational chapels.

The Roman Catholic church of St. Cuthbert dates from 1872; it was enlarged in 1887. (fn. 55)

A schoolhouse was built at Goose Green by Thomas Molyneux; but no endowment was provided. (fn. 56)





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At Lamberhead Green in 1775 was born William Atherton, a Wesleyan divine, president of the Conference in 1846. He died in 1850

The house the above chap lived in is on Orrell Rd, in between  the Raj gate and the Stag. I think people call it Atherton House

the bloke who lived there but has now died said the house was built in 1775 and later in 1850 an extension was added also William Atherton was a pit owner who built the house but this now cannot be right

so. can somebody tell me when this house was built, the house as a block of carved stone on the top with William Atherton year of birth and year of death which makes sense now, i thought this related to Wm Atherton building it in 1775 etc

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Post by Lolly Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:22 pm

Gaskell William, plumber and painter, 51 Millgate; residence Atherton house, Orrell. 1890

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Post by KPC Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:40 pm

forget all that, ive only been here 2 mins and given you wrong info, ive checked with the missus

ill start again. the guy who recently lived there but now died stated that Mr Atherton had the house built in 1755 and it was altered in 1820.also hw was a pit owner

House. 1820. Ashlar with dressed stone returns and slate roof. 2 storeys, 3 bays. 1st floor sill band and top frieze cornice and deep parapet. Central raised panel has oval cartouche reading "J & E ATHERTON/1755/W. ATHERTON/FECIT/ 1820". Lettering around oval: "DEI PROVIDENTIA HEREDITAS NOSTRA". Windows have casements. Entrance has C20 canopy and door. Brick gable-end stacks.

so does this mean it was built in 1820 and who buy

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Post by Lolly Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:04 pm

Apparently reading this it looks like it the pit owner that built it

"The gentleman from the Nunnery would possibly have been Colonel Clarke - I believe he was possibly connected to the family that owned a lot of the mines in the area - in fact the Mount was built by one of the mine owners, as was Atherton House on the opposite side of the road past Orrell Post and facing the farm, and the large white house at the traffic lights at orrel Post - oh, and Orrell Hall too !"



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Post by KPC Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:09 pm

cheers for that

so was it built in 1775 or 1820

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Post by Lolly Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:24 pm

KPC wrote:forget all that, ive only been here 2 mins and given you wrong info, ive checked with the missus

ill start again. the guy who recently lived there but now died stated that Mr Atherton had the house built in 1755 and it was altered in 1820.also hw was a pit owner

House. 1820. Ashlar with dressed stone returns and slate roof. 2 storeys, 3 bays. 1st floor sill band and top frieze cornice and deep parapet. Central raised panel has oval cartouche reading "J & E ATHERTON/1755/W. ATHERTON/FECIT/ 1820". Lettering around oval: "DEI PROVIDENTIA HEREDITAS NOSTRA". Windows have casements. Entrance has C20 canopy and door. Brick gable-end stacks.

so does this mean it was built in 1820 and who buy

Looks like it. Is this the house

https://www.google.com/maps/place/321+Orrell+Rd,+Orrell,+Wigan+WN5+8QY/@53.5400758,-2.7096713,3a,53.8y,181.48h,103.54t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNT0QnEcwxfAGu0LPKEkqbQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x487b100ee111268d:0x709e17cf7b2e6a95!8m2!3d53.5399291!4d-2.7097093
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Post by KPC Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:29 pm

thats the one. I used to talk to the bloke who used to live there

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Post by Lolly Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:15 pm

Cant find anything concrete I'm afraid.
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no i struggled, no problem. thanks for looking

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I think gassey might know where this is

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Post by gassey Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:11 pm

Is the street running across the top Fleet St Lolly ?
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Nearer to That place you worked at
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Is that Enfield St at the top then ?
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