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Post by Lolly Wed 25 Nov 2020, 10:22 am

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Post by jo anne Wed 25 Nov 2020, 11:02 am

Thanks, Lolly, that’s an interesting, not to mention disturbing read.

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I remember a lovely WW poster, Empress, telling of her experiences of the church - Thread (2008):

[The church] is the most beautiful place you can imagine, has the air of a cathedral. Very ornate, lots of side altars, and St Edmund Arrowsmith’s Hand is in a glass dome in there …

Yup, his real hand, when I was little we had to kiss the dome, I remember watching it coming towards me down the altar, I swear to god I’d have left Lindford Christie standing, was gone in a nanno second.
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Post by Cadfael Thu 26 Nov 2020, 7:00 am

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I am not too sure that is Ince Hall, I am pretty sure it is The Hall Of Ince, they are often confused in internet searches. The Hall Of Ince was across the road from Ince Cemetery.... near Delph Bridge.

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Post by jo anne Thu 26 Nov 2020, 9:45 am

Thanks, Cadfael, I wouldn’t have spotted that.

WW Photo of Ince Hall, contributed by Thomas Walsh:

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The exciting thing is this hall still exists, though now converted into apartments. Smile
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Post by jo anne Thu 26 Nov 2020, 10:10 am

On reading the Wiki article I didn’t realise the ghost of the daughter is the one known locally as Kitty Bout Yed (or Kitty-Beawt-Yed). When I was in the infants I heard stories about her which terrified me for years.

The daughter also disappeared, but no one knew how or when. After many years the gardener turned up a skull in the garden with his spade, and the secret was revealed. When this took place the Hall had long been uninhabited; for the murdered daughter's ghost hung suspended in the air before the dishonest lawyer wherever he went. It is said that he spent the remainder of his days in Wigan, the victim of remorse and despair. There is a room in the Hall which is said to be haunted by the ghost of a young lady, and her shadowy form is frequently seen by the passers by hovering over the spot where her remains were buried.

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Post by Lolly Thu 26 Nov 2020, 11:04 am

Thanks Cadfael. I did a bit of digging. It seems there were three


"The house now known as Ince Hall, which is situated off Manchester Road, near Rose Bridge, was originally surrounded by a moat and approached by a fine avenue of elms. It was a good specimen of timber and plaster building erected about the reign of James I, with a picturesque black and white front of five gables"

https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/lancs/vol4/pp101-106
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Post by Cadfael Thu 26 Nov 2020, 3:42 pm

I took this in April 2013...

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Post by -OY- Thu 26 Nov 2020, 7:06 pm

Then there's Peel Hall, Ince.

Pic I took Feb 2020.

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Post by Cadfael Fri 27 Nov 2020, 6:41 am

Nice one Oy... Peel Hall certainly looks the part of an old medieval house.
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Post by Lolly Sat 28 Nov 2020, 2:02 pm

Tweeted today by Wigan Civic Trust

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Post by Lolly Thu 04 May 2023, 8:54 pm



John Roby in his ‘Traditions of Lancashire’ (1872) relates the following tale which he entitled ‘The Haunted Manor House’, which he identifies as being Ince Hall in Wigan. As Roby acknowledges, there are a few buildings known as Ince Hall which leads to confusion when trying to identify the exactly where this tale is said to be based.

https://www.mysteriousbritain.co.uk/folklore/ince-hall-ince-in-makerfield/
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